tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post6274481495634783674..comments2023-07-20T09:05:13.400-06:00Comments on Notes From A Transitional Fossil: We Get LettersArchaeopteryxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10627784327758008867noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-85179271917979969502007-08-12T09:36:00.000-06:002007-08-12T09:36:00.000-06:00Keifus, that's exactly how I came around. I used ...Keifus, that's exactly how I came around. I used to think that there were some crimes heinous enough (<A HREF="http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=88549116-6a64-4d84-834c-d85ac77cb3b6" REL="nofollow">this one, </A>for example) to merit the death penalty--I drew an analogy to a rabid dog, which you'd put down no matter how much you loved it. But executing one innocent person negates all of that. <BR/><BR/>Plus the illogic of killing a person in response to killing a person is inescapable. It's all about revenge (see the letter linked above), and not about deterrence. The state doesn't need to be in the revenge business.<BR/><BR/>Goddess--isn't it a shame that BA went from being in a very useful profession to a most useless one?<BR/><BR/>TK--I'll post it on the Wiki a little later today when I get time. I suppose that if your thoughtful, interesting pieces aren't going to be there any more, I can put up some hackish drivel to hold the space.Archaeopteryxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627784327758008867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-89859198286476719742007-08-11T20:16:00.000-06:002007-08-11T20:16:00.000-06:00heya, tk! you found it! it wasn't your link here t...heya, tk! you found it! <BR/><BR/>it wasn't your link here that i saw before [which has lots of good links in it, thanks] but this one:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.publicintegrity.org/pm/" REL="nofollow">harmful error<BR/>investigating america's local prosecutors</A><BR/><BR/>which was linked from your source. muchas gracias and mooches smooches for finding it.hipparchiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16601000402820151839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-61385264616114551022007-08-11T19:14:00.000-06:002007-08-11T19:14:00.000-06:00"Do you think there are crimes punishible by death..."Do you think there are crimes punishible by death?"<BR/><BR/>Yes, I could imagine conditions in which that sort of retribution was in order. Hell, I can imagine situation in which I'd want to kill somone.<BR/><BR/>"Do you believe in the death penalty?"<BR/><BR/>How could you ever be so sure?<BR/><BR/>A lot of reasons to oppose it. That's a big one, something about the benefit of the doubt--if you murder an innocent man, that's one hell of a sin, and what proof is so incontrovertable in court? <BR/><BR/>That, and somethign about how the state brings itself to murderer level when it commits "penalty." <BR/><BR/>Anyway, what's it take to get a heckler, huh?<BR/><BR/>KKeifushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00287358319899471490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-54392800494185082432007-08-11T17:51:00.000-06:002007-08-11T17:51:00.000-06:00Thanks TGI hate to get my neocons mixed up!Thanks TG<BR/><BR/>I hate to get my neocons mixed up!Bitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150073935741844849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-49836457677495192302007-08-11T12:08:00.000-06:002007-08-11T12:08:00.000-06:00Hehe.Delightful.(Btw, bite: B_A used to be a strip...Hehe.<BR/><BR/>Delightful.<BR/><BR/>(Btw, bite: B_A used to be a stripper and now is a telemarketer. Gimme Coffee is/was a prosecutor...not that it matters...just fyi.)Thy Goddesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01247769154640502721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-8628048030366154102007-08-11T11:10:00.000-06:002007-08-11T11:10:00.000-06:00Perhaps it takes a special kind of person to be a ...Perhaps it takes a special kind of person to be a prosecutor.<BR/><BR/>Baltimor Aureole was a prosecutor<BR/><BR/>Ken Starr<BR/><BR/>Yep, a very special kind of person...Bitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150073935741844849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-62020839035654015812007-08-11T08:33:00.000-06:002007-08-11T08:33:00.000-06:00Thanks for the kind words and support. Obviously,...Thanks for the kind words and support. Obviously, this wasn't really meant to be about Camblos--it's about the inherent injustice in the death penalty, and the Washington case is just an example of how wrong things can go. It's entirely possible that Camblos (and Bennett before him) thought they were doing the right thing, even though they weren't. But it seems awfully hard to justify blaming Washington for the murder <I>after</I> he'd been exonerated unless you were trying to deflect blame away from the original prosecutor. It's unconscionable.Archaeopteryxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627784327758008867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-40512626812902368452007-08-10T23:54:00.000-06:002007-08-10T23:54:00.000-06:00Hi Hipparchia!You mean this one here?Nice to see y...Hi Hipparchia!<BR/><BR/>You mean <A HREF="http://web.austin.utexas.edu/law_library/innocence/subject.cfm?subject=5" REL="nofollow">this one here?</A><BR/><BR/>Nice to see you, btw. <BR/><BR/>What I find fascinating about this is the "factchecker" response to Arch. Prosecutorial misconduct in death penalty cases? After hearing all the stories about things like - grossly underpaid defense attorneys, defense attorneys being repeatedly cited for being intoxicated in court, defense attorneys continuing to work on death penalty cases after being repeatedly reprimanded - well, I figure the prosecutors have to be, at the very least, in on the gig.<BR/><BR/>What I find fascinating in this case is the naked attempt to take the edge off Arch's post. I'd say he hit a nerve.<BR/><BR/>Don't even get me started on the death penalty. There is no justification for it, and a host against.TenaciousKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329335294478431462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-79332550448348843192007-08-10T23:38:00.000-06:002007-08-10T23:38:00.000-06:00once again i can't find the link to something i re...once again i can't find the link to something i read. i should give up this internet surfing thing.<BR/><BR/>anyway, there is a database and a study [more than one? can't remember] of cases of prosecutor misconduct. in at least one of them, the defendednt was executed and cleared by dna evidence sometime after his death. in several of the cases, the defendent has been cleared but ends up spending <I>years</I> in prison <I>after</I> being found innocent.<BR/><BR/><BR/>we just need to abolish the death penalty. nobody has really and truly and definitively shown that the death penalty is an effective deterrent. <BR/><BR/>meanwhile, we continue to execute the wrong people, which lets the guilty go free, among other evils. another evil an unintended consequence: the long long drawn-out wait from the crime to the execution, even when the right person is caught, is emotionally devastating for the victim's loved ones. <BR/><BR/>not so incidentally, these same loved ones, once the execution has taken place, often report that they didn't get the much-vaunted "closure" that they expected the death of the killer would bring them. instead, they often just have even more bad feelings.hipparchiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16601000402820151839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182690994498367646.post-70616697421339850932007-08-10T22:36:00.000-06:002007-08-10T22:36:00.000-06:00What are you thinking man!His name is "Factchecker...What are you thinking man!<BR/><BR/>His name is "Factchecker"! Don't you go messin' with no "Factchecker" now. He's been checkin' facts and taking names for...<BR/><BR/>Oh wait - that's two profile views? And one of them is mine? Hmmm. Perhaps he oughta' go with a more accurate name. I suggest: Spinsetter. Or perhaps Browbeater. <BR/><BR/>No really, you just scored another one for the blogging world, Arch. When somebody goes through enough trouble to browbeat you with a little self-serving propaganda, you know you're onto something. It's amateur reporters such as yourself that make the rest of us more pedestrian bloggers proud. <BR/><BR/>[If you were wondering what kind of story to post on Wikifray, btw, this would be the very kind of story to post there. The followup alone is fascinating.] <BR/><BR/>In this particular case, I imagine it's difficult for a prosecutor to browbeat someone anonymous and removed, such as yourself. This is the best they could do. But if anyone ever demonstrated the chasm-like "niche" you "pseudo-reporter bloggers" fill, it was this hairy-knuckled fella' right here. If you were a reporter, you might do well to be looking over your shoulder. <BR/><BR/>Despite all the radical, unsupported fringe stuff one might find in cyberspace, sometimes blog news really is the best source of information.<BR/><BR/>You go, boy.TenaciousKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329335294478431462noreply@blogger.com